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	<title>Comments on: Visual C# Express Sucks</title>
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		<title>By: Ingmar</title>
		<link>http://erik.eae.net/archives/2005/06/04/00.16.38/#comment-103022</link>
		<dc:creator>Ingmar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Mar 2008 19:11:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think I've run into the same problem, although (fortunately) before writing any worthwhile code. I wanted to specify the project directory, but couldn't find any settings for that. When I create a new project, it's immediately placed in "%USERPROFILE%\Local Settings\Application Data\Temporary Projects", as Dan says, and I don't see an option anywhere to specify a (different) location. When I close C# Express, it's gone (duh, it's temporary!).

The simple, but working solution for me is to create a new project, then copy the entire project directory out of "Temporary Projects" to where I want it (before closing or crashing C# Express). Then close C# Express just to be safe. Finally open the project from its new location. No more problems.

I don't see why the people at MS don't make it more obvious that initial new projects will be temporary (read: deleted as soon as you close C# Express). The "our customers kept creating projects to test some simple feature [and got their directories cluttered,  aww]" excuse sounds pretty poor to justify such a misfeature.

Or maybe I'm just missing something here ("Save Project As..." anyone?). But I think these comments show that it's a common issue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think I&#8217;ve run into the same problem, although (fortunately) before writing any worthwhile code. I wanted to specify the project directory, but couldn&#8217;t find any settings for that. When I create a new project, it&#8217;s immediately placed in &#8220;%USERPROFILE%\Local Settings\Application Data\Temporary Projects&#8221;, as Dan says, and I don&#8217;t see an option anywhere to specify a (different) location. When I close C# Express, it&#8217;s gone (duh, it&#8217;s temporary!).</p>
<p>The simple, but working solution for me is to create a new project, then copy the entire project directory out of &#8220;Temporary Projects&#8221; to where I want it (before closing or crashing C# Express). Then close C# Express just to be safe. Finally open the project from its new location. No more problems.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t see why the people at MS don&#8217;t make it more obvious that initial new projects will be temporary (read: deleted as soon as you close C# Express). The &#8220;our customers kept creating projects to test some simple feature [and got their directories cluttered,  aww]&#8221; excuse sounds pretty poor to justify such a misfeature.</p>
<p>Or maybe I&#8217;m just missing something here (&#8221;Save Project As&#8230;&#8221; anyone?). But I think these comments show that it&#8217;s a common issue.</p>
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		<title>By: Rim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Feb 2008 17:46:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Problem still persists to this date and the folder mentioned is nowhere to be found. Grand, simply grand.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Problem still persists to this date and the folder mentioned is nowhere to be found. Grand, simply grand.</p>
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		<title>By: Beau Gunderson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Beau Gunderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Aug 2007 22:04:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Still broken using the latest version as of 8/16/2007.

I too am missing the folder that Dan Fernandez mentioned as well.

I wonder if he's still C# Product Manager? ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Still broken using the latest version as of 8/16/2007.</p>
<p>I too am missing the folder that Dan Fernandez mentioned as well.</p>
<p>I wonder if he&#8217;s still C# Product Manager? <img src='http://erik.eae.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Julie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Julie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Apr 2007 05:54:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can't believe this--it's not Beta anymore, shouldn't this be fixed by now?  C# Express crashed, I reopened the IDE and my whole project was gone. No .cs files anywhere on my hard drive. And I DID hit save explicitly and repeatedly.  Perhaps not Save All, so I guess I could understand if the project file were somehow missing, but all my cs and xaml files?!? What gives?  Why doesn't save mean save?!!!!!!!  I know I'm ranting because it's 2 a.m., but I was on a roll and had a lot of code written and now, argh!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t believe this&#8211;it&#8217;s not Beta anymore, shouldn&#8217;t this be fixed by now?  C# Express crashed, I reopened the IDE and my whole project was gone. No .cs files anywhere on my hard drive. And I DID hit save explicitly and repeatedly.  Perhaps not Save All, so I guess I could understand if the project file were somehow missing, but all my cs and xaml files?!? What gives?  Why doesn&#8217;t save mean save?!!!!!!!  I know I&#8217;m ranting because it&#8217;s 2 a.m., but I was on a roll and had a lot of code written and now, argh!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Michelle Mitchell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michelle Mitchell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Dec 2006 09:47:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Kimberly Thompson...&lt;/strong&gt;

The 4915 Thomas Mitchell blog...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Kimberly Thompson&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>The 4915 Thomas Mitchell blog&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Nov 2006 17:49:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I got hit by this Not-save behaviour. Ouch. Woke up this morning, after leaving my computer over night, and somehow the power got turned off/on.

Lost two structures, one major class with properties involving some generic ILists.

Lost some code that I wrote for a formload handler, to serialize some data: first time using this serialization.

In other words, ... damn

I do remember just compiling, thinking that the Ide naturally saves. I never clicked on that SaveAll toolbar button, unfortunately.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I got hit by this Not-save behaviour. Ouch. Woke up this morning, after leaving my computer over night, and somehow the power got turned off/on.</p>
<p>Lost two structures, one major class with properties involving some generic ILists.</p>
<p>Lost some code that I wrote for a formload handler, to serialize some data: first time using this serialization.</p>
<p>In other words, &#8230; damn</p>
<p>I do remember just compiling, thinking that the Ide naturally saves. I never clicked on that SaveAll toolbar button, unfortunately.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark F</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark F</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Sep 2006 15:53:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"Now when you open up the project again it resets the cs files to the last time the actual project was saved and that was… ehmm never, so I lost all work. What a stupid behavior."

Gotta agree there.  Not saving your work is INCREDIBLY stupid behavior.  *:o)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Now when you open up the project again it resets the cs files to the last time the actual project was saved and that was… ehmm never, so I lost all work. What a stupid behavior.&#8221;</p>
<p>Gotta agree there.  Not saving your work is INCREDIBLY stupid behavior.  *:o)</p>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Jul 2006 15:00:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Maurice K</title>
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		<dc:creator>Maurice K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Jul 2006 01:46:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You people are lucky.  I can't even get a working installation.  I install, start the program, try an internet or help link and get an error with an option to contact microsoft.  The the thing restarts. (Does this on vb express too.)  Anybody know whether .net 1.1 and .net 2.0 can live together?  I need 1.1 for media connect.  Otherwise it's a pretty garden variety  windows PC.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You people are lucky.  I can&#8217;t even get a working installation.  I install, start the program, try an internet or help link and get an error with an option to contact microsoft.  The the thing restarts. (Does this on vb express too.)  Anybody know whether .net 1.1 and .net 2.0 can live together?  I need 1.1 for media connect.  Otherwise it&#8217;s a pretty garden variety  windows PC.</p>
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		<title>By: Rick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jun 2006 10:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Same here. The main reason for my stupidity would be that I'm coming from a C++ background (I have the -that- Express version too), and in that environment you just CAN'T build without having all the files saved physically. Assuming that with every build the files were saved, I developed for hours, but then the crash came.. Poof! Boom! All lost.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Same here. The main reason for my stupidity would be that I&#8217;m coming from a C++ background (I have the -that- Express version too), and in that environment you just CAN&#8217;T build without having all the files saved physically. Assuming that with every build the files were saved, I developed for hours, but then the crash came.. Poof! Boom! All lost.</p>
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